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Unread 09-21-2007, 02:05 PM
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Lilley will talk about ID in private!

Dembski on his ridiculous blog has an email exchange between President Lilley and a UCal professor Peter Irons (it looks genuine):

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intel...-not-a-parody/

So Lilley talks to people about this in private but not in public.

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Here's what's on Dembski's blog:

Baylor President John Lilley Responds [NOT A PARODY!]

William Dembski

Peter Irons, it appears, has been corresponding about me with President Lilley of Baylor. In the last month Irons has forwarded to me a dozen or so emails in which he lays out for someone just what an execrable character I am; and then, usually without the other party’s knowledge or permission (at least from what I can tell), he forwards to me their response confirming that I am indeed an execrable character. I suppose if I were built differently I would be stung by these emails, but my usual reaction is amusement.



In any case, it appears he wrote President John Lilley of Baylor on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 to alert him about the crew of EXPELLED that was coming to campus:
Also, the Discovery Institute, of which Dembski is a Fellow, has announced on its website that a producer of a still-in-production film called “Expelled” will visit your campus tomorrow (Thursday) with a request to interview you for this film. Pretending to be an “objective” account of the evolution/intelligent design controversy on various campuses, the film is in fact a highly biased project, devoted to showing the “persecution” of intelligent design advocates. I’m sure you will not agree to meet with Walt Ruloff, the film’s producer, but I did want to warn you in advance about his deceptive intentions. Mr. Ruloff, by the way, convinced the Baylor Lariat editors to run an opinion piece by him in which he questioned whether Baylor faculty and administrators believe in God. Can you believe this?
Well, after six years on the Baylor faculty, I find it eminently believable that many of its faculty don’t want God to have anything to do with their university. In any case, Irons was kind enough to forward President Lilley’s reply:
Subject: RE: Professor Dembski’s attacks on you
From: “Lilley, John M.”
Date: Wed, September 19, 2007 5:34 pm
To: pirons{AT}weber.ucsd.edu
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Peter, thanks for your email. It is greatly appreciated.
I shall not take the bait on the movie. I greatly regret
the difficulty that Dembski has created. John
Now, I know there has been a parody at UD of President Lilley’s words in the past, so before posting this I made sure to contact President Lilley (also copying the provost and others at Baylor) about whether these actually are his words:
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:29:06 -0500
To: John_Lilley{AT}baylor.edu, pirons{AT}weber.ucsd.edu
From: “William A. Dembski”
Subject: Fwd: RE: Professor Dembski’s attacks on you
Cc: Randall_OBrien{AT}baylor.edu, Ben_Kelley{AT}baylor.edu, …
Dear President Lilley,
Peter Irons, a professor at one of the University of
California campuses, continually forwards to me email
communications, ostensibly between him and others.
He’s forwarded to me several putative emails from you.
I’d like to confirm whether the exchange below is
genuine before I blog on it.
If it is genuine, I would point out that any difficulties
you may be experiencing over your suppression of
ID-related research at Baylor are of your own creation.
My role in this has merely been to shine some light.
Best wishes,
Bill Dembski
Twenty-four hours later still no disconfirmation from Baylor that Lilley wrote what Irons forwarded to me. BTW, it’s a little known fact that Irons is on Discovery’s payroll. Thanks Peter!

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Seems Dembski is stretching the truth a bit (perhaps more than a bit) when he states that Lilley comfirms that he (Dembski) is an execrable character.

This is all PR BS from the Discovery Institute boys.
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I doubt anything you've posted is "real." Lilley is too cautious (in a positive sense) to send an email about this matter to anyone.

The lawyers are handling the matter, and I bet Lilley is just biding his time.

FTR, I like the way the administration's handling this situation. Those ID folks will stop at nothing to get their way.
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Dembski is flatout lying, whether or not the Lilley email is legit as quoted.
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Peter, thanks for your email. It is greatly appreciated.
I shall not take the bait on the movie. I greatly regret
the difficulty that Dembski has created. John
Um, pardon me, but I'm not seeing anything there about Dembski's character or...well, Dembski himself. Methinks Bill's making a mountain out of something that's just not there.

And is anyone else amused that the comments on the blog deny over and over again that ID specifies a connection to the Christian God, yet the "Expelled" guy's editorial in the Lariat made that connection right off the bat, accusing people here at Baylor of being nonbelievers for not accepting ID as actual science? Amusing indeed. In that hypocritical, two-faced sort of way, anyhow.
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This whole blog/email incident reads like a failed set up attempt.

I don't know Dembski, but to read this it appears that he thinks ID means that he is the center of the universe. Seems to me he has way too much free time to think about himself.
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Given what Lilley actually said about Dembski, "I greatly regret the difficulty that Dembski has created", I just can't resist a little amateur psych: is there a clinical term for self-loathing?
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